I am appalled. The decision by the television network consortium to exclude the Green Party from the debates is reprehensible. They put the blame three of the four political parties for this decision. That is the Harper, the Layton New Democrats and the Duceppe Bloc to be exact. If that is the case, then there lots of blame to go around and Canadian citizens should be outraged.
What are the names, email addresses and phone numbers of these mysterious television network "deciders" Who empowered them to operate behind these closed doors on such matters? I want to know exactly who they are and how to get in touch with them and to give them a piece of my mind directly and publicly.
The news reports say three of the four other federal parties were opposed to her participation. That means everyone by the Dion Liberals. Harper, Duceppe and Layton all threatened to withdraw from the debates if May was included. Shame on them! This is totally unacceptable.
I think it is pure exaggeration and blame shifting for the network consortium to allege that the major parties would not actually participate in an election debate because the Greens were included. Spare me. It that is the case, the consortium should have insisted the three political party leaders make their own announcement and give their reasons publicly. They should be telling us why they want to exclude the Greens and if they are threatening a boycott if she was to be included.
The breathtaking arrogance of these guys is astonishing. Who do they all think they are? The Greens have proven to be a viable and emerging political force in the country. According to an extensive Ipsos Reid Poll of over 4000 Canadians done September 6th the Greens enjoy support of 10% of the nation’s voters.
They are the choice of 13% of BC voters and 14% of Ontario voters and are tied with the NDP in Alberta at 10% support. Harper is losing former Red Tory Progressive Conservatives to Greens - the Red Greens as I like to call them.
The Greens do even better in the urban battleground where the Greens are ahead or equal to the NDP in the critical areas of the 905 and Toronto. Layton and Harper think this is their country. This is even more interesting. The Greens in Harper’s hometown of Calgary are at 13% support. That is more than double the NDP who languish at 6% Calgary support.
Last election the Greens ran a full slate meaning anyone in Canada could vote for them. Duceppe’s Bloc only runs Quebec candidates, meaning a limited number of candidates and only Quebecer can vote for them. This is a national election, not a Quebec election. Given the limitations of the Bloc’s participation, should the consortium should disqualify the Bloc’s participation too? Of course not! Quebec separatists have even qualified and served as Her Majesty's Loyal Opposition. And then they say the Greens are not even eligible to merely participate in an election debate. Unbelievable. Shame on them.
The MSM is out of line - way out of line. If they are telling the truth about the Conservatives, the NDP and the Bloc threatening to boycott the debate if the Greens are in, then they should have had those leaders make the public announcement to exclude the Greens.
If that is not the real reason for the consortium decision to exclude the Greens then the various television network heads should have their heads roll. Who do they think they are? How dare they presume that they get to decide who we citizens get to see and hear in a debate about OUR future and in OUR election. This is not a cheap realty TV show. It is about the deciding the very nature of the country. It is not about a bunch of anxiety riddled political leaders who are better at gamesmanship than governing.
This election is not just about producing a mediocre television program. It is not even about the political parties or the political leaders. It is about citizens becoming engaged and informed to make a considered decision about who they will trust with their consent to be governed. An election is one of the most important events in the lives of engaged citizens.
It is not the job of the television networks to make or manipulate such a decision. They have shown with this decision that they are prepared to abuse their privilege of the social license to operate their broadcast business over OUR airwaves. Shame on all those involved.
Get real guys and immediately reverse this stupid decision. If those arrogant political leaders and their parties refuse to participate if the Greens are involved May then cancel the damn debate. The three political parties and their arrogant leaders would not dare pass on the television debates. It is just too critical for them in the larger scheme of things.
If they do end up boycotting then let them. The Blogosphere will step up and take over the responsibility to fully inform the public about what is really going on this election.
Two things:
ReplyDelete1. The Greens have not elected an MP. Period.
2. The release did not say specifically which parties objected, and although Dion "has said" in the past that she should be included, there is nothing that concretely says his party didn't object this time.
If anything, letting May vent on national TV could have helped Conservative polling numbers and vote-count. It is Dion and Layton that need to be worried about her.
So what tjk! What does your comment prove about anything in support for democracy. They do have an elected MP - an Emerson kind of elected MP - much better than a Fortier "appointed" non-elected Cabinet Minister.
ReplyDeleteThe release not saying the names of the parties is not an excuse - it is part of the problem. Just how ignorant are these media executive types about the nature of news?
H/t to Duncan W who said on Twitter would Kim Campbell vetoed Preston Manning in 1993 if she knew she could?
ReplyDeleteThis is a travesty and proves that these jokers - incluiding the culpable party leaders - are a danger to democracy.
Hi Ken
ReplyDeleteHere are the names and contact numbers of the media people who decided not to let Elizabeth May speak at the debates. The info is from the Green Party.
You can visit http://demanddemocraticdebates.ca to sign a petition to pressure the Broadcast consortium to make sure that Green Party leader Elizabeth May is included in the leaders' debates. You can also let the broadcast consortium know of your disagreement by contacting them at:
John Cruikshank, Publisher, CBC news
(416) 205-6300
Robert Hurst, President of CTV News
416-332-5000
Troy Reeb, Senior Vice President of News Canwest Global
(416) 967-1174
Pierre Dion, President, Groupe TVA Inc.
514-526-9251
Ronald Cohen, National Chair, Canadian Broadcast Standards Council
P.O. Box 3265, Station D Ottawa, ON K1P 6H8
613-233-4607
Glenn O'Farrell, President and CEO, Canadian Association of Broadcasters
P.O. Box 627, Stn. B Ottawa, ON K1P 5S2
613-233-4035 ext: 326
Thinking of 1993, let us not forget too that Lucien Bouchard got to participate despite his entire caucus save Duceppe being formed with only PC and Liberal defectors. And he was trying to break up the country. I think the bar was set - an MP and a reasonable amount of public support. The Greens meet that test, they're polling above the Bloc and they have an MP. Seems like a no brainer - let them in. Of course the other leaders don't want May in, I'm sure Layton doesn't want Dion in but I doubt the CBC et al. asked him about that.
ReplyDeleteThis is a bad decision. May belongs in the debate. Let's support democracy.
ReplyDeleteIs May a leader in this race? She has publicly choosen her leader - Dion. Why should May be allowed to be in the debate when her leader is Dion?
ReplyDeleteWhat a stupid and insipid comment. Propaganda over principle is the single most defining characteristic of Harper and his henchmen. This election is confirming this truth.
ReplyDeleteThis is how totalitarian governments operate - not a democracy. Indeed, this is how things tend to start slipping - with gradually increasing censorship... That's what happened i.e. when the Third Reich got into power. I'm not indicateing that that's where we are heading - I am just saying it is time to react and do something. If nothing else VOTE as a protest!
ReplyDeleteHaving May in the debate doesn't hurt the Conservatives, only the Liberals, the NDP, and (arguably) the Bloc.
ReplyDeleteNot that this is an excuse, mind you. I think she should be in... and people will see firsthand how out of her depth she is on any issue not tied to the environment.
Putting a bit of a spin on it, NOT having her participate may do the Greens some good in this election, if the other parties suffer from voter backlash.
This really make me angry! Especially after seeing what has been happening in the states where inclusion has now become the name of the game and people are participating in the political process for the first time.
ReplyDeleteIn Canada we are excluding Ms. May. Whatever happened to the ideal of an inclusive society that accepts and encourages different oppinions and points of view.
I'm a PC party member and will be voting Green this federal election.
Shame on the PCs and NDP and the bloc (don't even get me started they're not even a federal party for gods sake)!
Pissed off PC
To me, it doesn't much matter what the various parties think. They are entitled to whatever view they like.
ReplyDeleteThe buck stops with the network consortium. THEY are responsible for this. If another party doesn't wish to show, then I guess they don't and as you said, they need to explain their reasons to the voting public themselves. The broadcasters are hiding behind the political parties.. it was their decision. To cave into whichever Party(ies) that didn't want the Greens shows the MSM is nothing but a shill for the polictical process. How about the MSM stand up for what is right? How about the MSM take RESPONSIBILITY for their decision, not turn around and blame someone else. Good heavens the lack of leadership in this country is at an all time low. It seems pointing fingers of blame is contagious. Stand up the decsion you made. Man, I hate wimps.
I don't know. I could take or leave Elizabeth May - and five leaders on a debate? C'mon... too much. Let the Greens elect first, debate later. An late converting MP after a year as an independent does not a Green MP make.
ReplyDeleteDuncan - difference being Bouchard had elected an MP. May has not. The debates will now lose all relevance.
ReplyDeleteShame on the leaders for letting her in.