1. Chuck Cadman himself publicly said he was not offered anything.
2. Dona Cadman is now running for the Conservatives and indicated that there was nothing unbecoming.
3. The Liberals fear saying anything outside the House because they will be immediately slapped with a defamation lawsuit.
4. Finally, there is no insurance company in the world that would ever give a $1 million policy to someone who is terminally ill. Only an idiot would think that can happen.
It is sad that you say federal politics is boring until the federal liberals decide to sling mud. Your party is neutered and losing credibility - harping on "character" is not going to help the Liberals.
Adam - your Comment points beg for rebuttal AND a post if its own...so here goes.
#1 - Cadman said in media scrums and comment that he was not offered anything by Martin or Harper...however he was not asked by the media about offers from Mr. Harper’s operatives. In fact Mr. Harper says on tape in an interview for the book that he knew his operatives were making Cadman “a financial offer” allegedly to offset his cost of a pending election!!! Mr. Cadman was near death at the time and not going to be a candidate in an election caused by the non confidence vote. Mr. Cadman passed away two months after the vote. HOW stupid is that representation as a defense to the allegations at hand?
#2 Yes I understand that Mrs. Cadman is running for the Cons and that must be very awkward for you guys. You will likely end up paying her off or even refuse to sign her nomination papers under the circumstance. Your party has a history of treating nominee you don’t very like badly – forcing some to even sue you to honour the “expense deals” made to get them out of the way.
This is potentially a much bigger deal and could be a matter of influence peddling - a criminal offence. Mrs. Cadman is not, as far as I know, a lawyer, nor familiar with the law in this area or the influence peddling provisions of the Criminal Code. So it is not likely we can rely on her as one to adequately judge if the offer was "unbecoming" or not. We have police investigations, prosecutors and the courts to make those determinations for our society.
#3 - Why should any parliamentarian say anything outside the Commons about this matter? It is not their allegations and questionable behaviours that are at issue here. Besides it is all in a book and on tape and all over the media. If you Cons want to sue, you can sue the media coverage of the story if it is over the line. You can sue the author and maybe you will want to burn his books while you are at it. You can sue Mr. Cadman's wife and his daughter who are confirming the allegation in the book, apparently from first hand conversations with Mr. Cadman. These individuals are all outside the protection of parliamentary privilege. Go for it boys. If you want a legal action you have it against those actually making the allegations, not parliamentarians who are just doing their job on behalf of Canadians.
#4 Correct, there is no insurance company in the world who would issue a policy on Mr. Cadman's life given his terminal illness. Unless of course someone was prepared to lie or mislead on insurance application...but I am not accusing anyone of that…heaven forbid. Besides – it never happened because Mr. Cadman is reported to have thrown Mr. Harper’s operatives out of his office at the suggestion of such a scam.
Speaking of misleading scams, how gullible do you Cons think we Canadians are? We are being asked to accept that there was no offer of a $1m insurance policy to Mr. Cadman in exchange for his vote, even when the allegations are confirmed by two primary sources, Mr. Cadman’s wife and his daughter. They have nothing to gain by being misleading on these issues. In fact, Mrs. Cadman may have something to lose. She will likely have to face some concerns and reservations by the CPC as to her continuation as a candidate in light of her comments and her confirmation of these alleged events.
Instead, we are being asked to believe Mr. Harper’s version of events. He says that so far as he knew, the “financial offer” his operatives were making to Mr. Cadman was an offer to pick up his election costs. That presumes Mr. Cadman's candidacy in the election that would result from his support of the Cons in the pending non-confidence vote. That makes no more and no less sense than the possibility of a $1m insurance policy offer allegation. Perhaps both offers were made. Who knows but that does not matter in the larger scheme of things going on here.
The facts about Mr. Cadman' health were well known to all of Canada at the time of these incidences and allegations. And the facts were that, Mr. Cadman was in the final stages of his life at the time the non-confidence vote was being initiated by the Cons. That vote, given Mr. Cadman’s support, the Cons would be able to defeat the Martin government and trigger an election which Mr. Harper desperately wanted. The political stakes were high for the Harper Cons at the time the operatives were allegedly making certain “financial offers” to Mr. Cadman in exchange for his vote.
The allegations that are being made, if they are proven to be influence pedaling, will result in the potential for some high stakes and dire consequences for individuals involved. It will also have dire consequences about the respectability, the credibility and the suitability of Mr. Harper and his party to be worthy of the consent of the citizens of Canada to govern.
The stories the Cons are trying to spin about this is incredible and insulting. They are looking more and more like a cross between the Keystone Kops and Rasputin with all the efforts at obfuscation and the mockery and mocking defenses. They are now backpedaling on earlier positions in the face of the new facts that are coming out. The new facts are becoming a growing litany that are already well beyond the Cons traditional and trademark damage control and issues management techniques.
None of your points hold water adam. It is time to come clean boys. You should immediately implore your leader to call a judicial inquiry into this embarrassing and debasing Con-induced mess. Do it out of decency, for the good of the country and out of respect for the Office of the Prime Minister...if nothing else.
Criminal Investigation
ReplyDeleteDo you honestly think a criminal investigation will turn something up? Have you forgot your legal training? Zytaruk does not even have the identities of the so-called conservative operatives. As well, as Mr. Cadman has since passed away, there is no evidence but mere hearsay. Don't let the facts stand in your way when you sling mud. Go ahead and waste taxpayers dollars - you are very good at that.
Defamation Action
The fact that the liberals won't say anything outside the House is evidence of my arguments above. They have no proof and are simply defaming parliamentarians.
"Besides it is all in a book and on tape and all over the media."
Again, I question your legal faculty. Are you still a member of the bar? You cannot merely repeat things out of an article and claim a defence to a defamation action.
Mr. Martin
Paul Martin had the draft of the book ONE YEAR IN ADVANCE. Why did he not say anything? Probably because he too knows that there is no evidence and the story does not make any sense.
Ken - do you remember when you thought the Mulroney story would destroy CPC? Cool figure. I'd like to see that post again.
We all know that liberals offer various financial incentives to its supporters - be it a position on the bench, a government grant, a seat at Crown corporations or government contracts. You seem to think this is okay and now believe all parties act the same way. The Conservatives are clean and, as in the Mulroney "scandal", the facts will come out and once again demonstrate the liberal mud-slinging will come back to haunt you.
Jack Layton is the new opposition leader in Canada and I believe Harper should continue to address him as such. If the Conservatives are so bad, why doesn't Dion simply pull the plug. You lose much credibility when you whine and whine but don't do anything about it.
Adam - you are so self-justifying that you are missing the point. Of course they know the names of the operatives and they will be released at the appropriate time.
ReplyDeleteThe Mulroney-Schreiber Affair is far from over...in fact it is just starting. Stay tuned as to how you CONS may wear it. It will be about how the CONS respect the office of the Prime Minister and who your leader listens to and who he is mentored by and the quality of their character.
Evidence please and relevance please on your allegation of Martin having a draft of the book for a year. More unsubstantiated innuendo does not serve to advance your credibility sir.
Don't let your fear overcome you on this Adam - just keep bobbing and weaving hoping you guys don't get hit with the awful sordid truth behind all this.
I read that Cadman's daughter, Jodie, wanted her father to go public with information about the bribe. The reason she says he didn't is because he was to ill to deal with all the uproar it would cause. Given that he died within a few weeks, it would have been masochistic to have put himself through all the inevitable fuss.
ReplyDeleteAnon @ 12:29 - I appreciate your comment...these events should have been about human decency as much, if not more, than power politics.
ReplyDeleteBoy oh boy.
ReplyDeleteWe've seen this play before.
Remember Jim Hart? He was the Okanagan MP who stepped aside so Stockwell Day could run in a safe seat.
Hart made a whole bunch of money after, linked to the Harper regime.
No one could ever prove laws were broken, but boy did that smell.
The Stock Boy was so unpopular in Alberta that Ralphie gave him the "kiss of death" at the Reform convention and sent him away, so Stock needed a safe seat and Hart was shown fifty thousand damn good reasons why he should give up his seat for the Stockmeister.
So this is neither coincidence nor accident.
The clotted venality of the Harper regime makes Paul Martin look like the Eagle Scout he is, and was, and which led to Martin's political demise.
I think the average person would know that no one would ever be able to obtain a million dollar insurance - it makes absolutely no sense. Nowhere did Mrs. Cadman say that he was offered the policy - she only said compensation for lost wages if an election was called. It is only the author arguing it was an insurance policy.
ReplyDeleteAnon - Harper and his operatives are not saying there were no financial offers made for Mr. Cadman's vote.
ReplyDeleteMillion- Schmillion - it is wrong, tasteless, base…and potentialy criminal. It demands an independent investigation to clear the air and to, perchance, restore respect for your Party and its leader.
Don’t deconstruct this or parse the words or change the channel – deal straight up on this and deal with the principles involved here.
This travesty puts a spotlight on the fundamental flaws of the Harper CONS as being a bunch of boys who lust for power instead of wanting to earn and deserve the privilege to govern.
You guys are so full of yourselves you don’t even bother to try and hide your secret power-at-any-cost agenda any more.
It is disgusting!!! - at so many levels.